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Post by emmarudd on Aug 13, 2005 17:10:21 GMT
it would be nice if all parted company in a friendly manner, time will tell i suppose Emma xx
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Post by joeypesci on Aug 13, 2005 20:39:42 GMT
Hello Jacks its me Sorry but couldn't resist posting. I hope your not like those on LivingTV and delete every single negative post. Coming right at ya from Badpsychics Nice to see you took the under construction off, looks much better now. ANYWAY. Yeah so my point. I have a problem with the original poster saying Yvette and Karl are honest. Yeah I guess I can't say for sure, I've never meet them, but from what I see on MHed they don't seem it to me. Karl still insists on having this Samuraiship, which he got for fighting that guy who is apprently famously never lost a fight, well hardly ever. Yet he is NEVER mentioned on the net. Only on 2 links, both from Karls point of view. For someone who's in the martial arts world, and is so big, someone, somewhere would have links to this man. I have done several martial arts myself. I didn't go far into them but know what its like, how hard it is etc. The long list Karl gives that he's apprently done, extensively is near enough impossible. I wrote and big post on this over at badpsychics but was about a month or 2 ago so can't find my post Anyway, yeah so when you do martial arts to get the next belt you have to train for a few months, normally 3 and you have to learn the kata's, the patterns of movement. On the later belts you have to not only learn that belts Kata's but still remember all the others. If Karl has done all these martial arts extensively then it would have taken him YEARS to learn them and IF he's black belt in all of them he must have photo graphic memory to remember all those Kata's and have trained every day, to get so far so quickly. Also, with all the questionable moments I've watched on MHed, I have a problem with calling Yvette and Karl honest. People here my flame me for my views but they are my views, you don't have to agree with them. But what if, things on the show are setup? Why do they always assume EVERY little noise is a spirit? And why are the Live shows so believer sided when its suppose to be a neutral show. Would all of you not be upset if you knew things were exaggerated? I think I would mainly due to the Live shows, because they have the calling in and txting fee's. This is how they raked in the money and if things were exaggerated, would this not be classed and gaining money by deception? Yes you have a choice on whether you phone in or txt or not. But the show claims to be a serious investigating show, but after watching TAPS's Ghost Hunters, MHed clearly isn't. And in my eyes, is just clearly entertainment. Anyway. I hope I don't get flamed for my own opinions whether you believe them or not, as I've been respectful. Lets just hope this doesn't get deleted Thanks Jacks. EDIT-I'll add, I don't doubt he's done martial arts and its black belt in 1 or 2, but not not all of them. And if he reads this. Been warned, Shotokan Karate isn't good for your joints. I did it, then moved to Choi Kwang Do. Thats more fluid, SOOO much better for your joints as you never lock them. Shotokan you always lock your joints when you make contact or just do a punch or kick. And thats just not good for your joints. EDIT2- and another thing. Search google and you can even read martial arts site and forums from the martial arts community who have NEVER heard of Karl Bettie. Considering he's suppose to be a world champion in the fight he had, its suprising they all say they've never heard of him.
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Post by emmarudd on Aug 13, 2005 21:23:49 GMT
Hi joeypesci, welcome to the forum! nice to see a decently written opposite opinion to most on here! My husband and i are friends with Karl and Yvette and did ask him about this samurai stuff ourselves, he said that some of what has been published has been over exaggerated by the press, however he did do martial arts to a very hi standard and won the championship 6 times (i believe thats what he said) and retired in 1994, and the samuraiship came about after he was adopted into the family of his trainer so its an honoury samuraiship. He also does have records of what he achieved so it doesn't mean he has a photographic memory at all! Infact he has quite a bad memory!!! And to do with everything being paranormal actually they are quite good now at questioning things and do look for alternative reasons for the noises etc... Karl really is sceptical and although wants to be convinced ghosts are out there at this present time he only believes something is not what it is. Finally all the text money, calls and merchandise money all goes to living tv, Antix get a set amount before the show and thats it, Richard Wolfe and co get all of it. Like you i'm not saying you or anyone else should believe me i'm just giving my side of the story (and Karls) people will make their own minds up on this subject. Thanks Emma xx
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Post by joeypesci on Aug 14, 2005 1:55:43 GMT
Hi joeypesci, welcome to the forum! nice to see a decently written opposite opinion to most on here! My husband and i are friends with Karl and Yvette and did ask him about this samurai stuff ourselves, he said that some of what has been published has been over exaggerated by the press, however he did do martial arts to a very hi standard and won the championship 6 times (i believe thats what he said) and retired in 1994, and the samuraiship came about after he was adopted into the family of his trainer so its an honoury samuraiship. He also does have records of what he achieved so it doesn't mean he has a photographic memory at all! Infact he has quite a bad memory!!! And to do with everything being paranormal actually they are quite good now at questioning things and do look for alternative reasons for the noises etc... Karl really is sceptical and although wants to be convinced ghosts are out there at this present time he only believes something is not what it is. Finally all the text money, calls and merchandise money all goes to living tv, Antix get a set amount before the show and thats it, Richard Wolfe and co get all of it. Like you i'm not saying you or anyone else should believe me i'm just giving my side of the story (and Karls) people will make their own minds up on this subject. Thanks Emma xx Hmm interesting. Oh another point are add. Deny it they might but Derek has help make them alot of money from MHed. Yeah, they may not get on with him anymore but still. Why they haven't included him on their site does seem a bit funny. Worse still was Yvettes comments on The Wright Stuff, although she didn't mention names, it was obvious. Yeah I don't believe in Derek myself. He talks bollocks (am I aloud to swear here?) but still, it just seems a bit petty to me. And he might have records, but my point was. It takes YEARS to learn several different martial arts to a high degree and you'd have to take alot of time off to do it. But still, he might of just dabbled. If you do know them well tell them to have a look at these tips. 1. STOP saying every single sound is paranormal. 2. STOP table tipping. Its a joke, a parlour trick. To open to fraud. 3. Invest in more camera's. So you can film under the table while filming your hands on top (if you insist on doing the crap table tipping) 4. STOP doing the glass thang. Stu finally got caught throwing one, spirits making me do it my arse. So please stop. 5. Please keep using Ciaran he's the ONLY one who seems neutral and the ONLY one that nothing ever seems to happen to. 6. PLEASE stop playing off each other. If one person says something, it then gives everyone an excuse to play off that story. 7. STOP using mediums. I don't believe in them. They prey on the gullible for money. Not only that but they seem to assume the spirit world consists on a God. Please don't let them state something is fact if they have no evidence. Science is evidence. Having an imaginary friend ain't. 8. Tape the new sounds mans mouth up. He has no imagination. He ONLY says he saw something or felt something AFTER someone else says it. Thats just playing off what the first person said. Have loads more but can't be bothered to post them Oh a quick one. On the Black Bull episode you all heard moaning in the graveyard. Please play it back. Listen carefully. It obvious what it is. As someone who lived in London all my life, near streets that never sleep I know. Its a car, driving down and empty road. The changing in tone is the car changing gear. The first time I heard that I didn't think anything of it. New it was a car. Yet was shocked when David suggested it was a monk and the soundman said it might be or someone messing about. He's a soundman, even he should of worked it out. And ask them this really important one. Way back when, they had the episode with Uri Geller in. They knocked a hole in the wall and found bones. An archeologist will tell you, by law if you find bones such as these and you believe them to be human, as Uri said (when did he become the expect of bones), you have to report it to the police. They check their age to make sure its not a recent murder. Yet they moved them and ignored all these laws. What happened there?
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Post by Jacks on Aug 14, 2005 2:52:49 GMT
Hi Joey, wow....great posts!! Thanks for joining our site, and also for the advice I will respond to your views, probably when I get out of my pit at some point tomorrow (or is that today!!) Due to the amount of alcohol intake I have had tonight (hey, its my birthday), I will probably talk utter bollocks if I try and respond tonight..and yes, you can say bollocks over here...lol Im not about to delete posts, as I believe in constructive criticism, which you have posted and I know that Karl is also all for this. He said as much to me when I last spoke to him. Jackie xx
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Post by Jacks on Aug 14, 2005 2:54:35 GMT
Oh, and to clarify the "not deleting posts"....as long as they dont get too abusive. I dont mind constructive criticism, but if it starts getting personal, I might have to change my view on that one....lol
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Post by lifesmate on Aug 14, 2005 9:52:42 GMT
Jacks...hope you had a great birthday. *1. STOP saying every single sound is paranormal. 2. STOP table tipping. Its a joke, a parlour trick. To open to fraud. 3. Invest in more camera's. So you can film under the table while filming your hands on top (if you insist on doing the crap table tipping) 4. STOP doing the glass thang. Stu finally got caught throwing one, spirits making me do it my arse. So please stop. 5. Please keep using Ciaran he's the ONLY one who seems neutral and the ONLY one that nothing ever seems to happen to. 6. PLEASE stop playing off each other. If one person says something, it then gives everyone an excuse to play off that story. 7. STOP using mediums. I don't believe in them. They prey on the gullible for money. Not only that but they seem to assume the spirit world consists on a God. Please don't let them state something is fact if they have no evidence. Science is evidence. Having an imaginary friend ain't. 8. Tape the new sounds mans mouth up. He has no imagination. He ONLY says he saw something or felt something AFTER someone else says it. Thats just playing off what the first person said.* Excellently put...exactly my thoughts.
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Post by Jacks on Aug 14, 2005 13:56:50 GMT
As promised....I've replied to the first of your posts...lol
Yeah so my point. I have a problem with the original poster saying Yvette and Karl are honest. Yeah I guess I can't say for sure, I've never meet them, but from what I see on MHed they don't seem it to me.
Having met Karl on a couple of occasions and also spoken to him over the phone, he comes across as a very genuine guy, and a top bloke all round. You’re probably gonna say that I will say that, being the admin of his forum, but I don’t know of very many people who take the time and effort to interact with his fans as much as this man does. He always asks about the show, asking if I think that there are ways in which it can be improved, what I’d like to see on it etc etc. In the last conversation I had with him, he said that he reads all forums to get feedback on the show because at the end of the day, the show is made for the viewers and he wants to know what they think of it.
Karl still insists on having this Samuraiship, which he got for fighting that guy who is apprently famously never lost a fight, well hardly ever. Yet he is NEVER mentioned on the net. Only on 2 links, both from Karls point of view. For someone who's in the martial arts world, and is so big, someone, somewhere would have links to this man. I have done several martial arts myself. I didn't go far into them but know what its like, how hard it is etc. The long list Karl gives that he's apprently done, extensively is near enough impossible.
I wrote and big post on this over at badpsychics but was about a month or 2 ago so can't find my post
Anyway, yeah so when you do martial arts to get the next belt you have to train for a few months, normally 3 and you have to learn the kata's, the patterns of movement. On the later belts you have to not only learn that belts Kata's but still remember all the others. If Karl has done all these martial arts extensively then it would have taken him YEARS to learn them and IF he's black belt in all of them he must have photo graphic memory to remember all those Kata's and have trained every day, to get so far so quickly.
I cant comment on any of the above, as I know nothing about it and can only take your word for it…lol Not saying that you’re not telling the truth, by any means. I will ask Karl about this article, because I’m intrigued. The photograph of Karl wearing some sort of samurai outfit looks doctored to me....lol
Also, with all the questionable moments I've watched on MHed, I have a problem with calling Yvette and Karl honest.
Again, having not been on location with Karl, Yvette and the rest of the team, I cant say whether the activity they are picking up is real or not. But on speaking with Karl, he really really wants to catch paranormal activity. I can’t see him making stuff up somehow. I believe that there have been instances in the past when they have been set up by the owners of some of the locations they’ve been to, but I don’t believe that the team knowingly fake stuff.
People here my flame me for my views but they are my views, you don't have to agree with them.
I don’t think you’ll get flamed for your views. You make very good points and its good to debate. Like I’ve previously said, I’m not about to start deleting posts and banning members for having an opinion. As long as it don’t get personal, because I don’t see the need for that. Not everyone is a fan of Karl, the same as not everyone is a fan of Derek, David Wells etc etc. But this forum is not like other forums where we are blinded/brainwashed into thinking that the person the site is for is untouchable and perfect in every way. After all, they are human....lol
But what if, things on the show are setup? Why do they always assume EVERY little noise is a spirit? And why are the Live shows so believer sided when its suppose to be a neutral show. Would all of you not be upset if you knew things were exaggerated? I think I would mainly due to the Live shows, because they have the calling in and txting fee's. This is how they raked in the money and if things were exaggerated, would this not be classed and gaining money by deception?
I probably would assume noises were spirit, if I was sitting in a dark room somewhere in the middle of the night! Having done a few investigations of my own, not a lot happens on them, but when we have had noises, its scared the crap out of me!! Would I be upset if I found out that things had been exaggerated? No, I don’t think so, it creates atmosphere and gets the adrenalin going, especially for the crew members taking part.
Although I can see your point about the texting/calling in thing. But like Emma has pointed out, LivingTV get the majority of that money, not Karl or anyone at Antix.
As for your point about gaining money by deception…no I’m afraid not. The definition of deception is “to deceive is to induce a person to believe that a thing is true which is false and which the person practising the deceit knows or believes to be false” There is no way in law, that you could prove that they believe that what they are seeing is false. You would then be questioning somebody’s beliefs.
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Post by Lisa-Marie on Aug 14, 2005 13:59:52 GMT
oooo.. this is a good debate, *gets a chair*
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Post by Jacks on Aug 14, 2005 14:20:58 GMT
Hmm interesting. Oh another point are add. Deny it they might but Derek has help make them alot of money from MHed. Yeah, they may not get on with him anymore but still. Why they haven't included him on their site does seem a bit funny. Worse still was Yvettes comments on The Wright Stuff, although she didn't mention names, it was obvious. Yeah I don't believe in Derek myself. He talks bollocks (am I aloud to swear here?) but still, it just seems a bit petty to me. This Derek situation will probably be talked about for a very long time, I think…lol
The thing about Derek is that before Most Haunted, he wasn’t that well known. He may have been known in the “medium” circles, but throughout the country, people had not heard of him. Along come Karl and Yvette with an idea of a TV show which ends up launching all of them into something that I don’t believe any of them imagined possible.
The show is not about Derek….its not about Yvette, Karl or any other individual person. Its about the team and its about trying to catch paranormal activity. The fact is that the majority of people who watch Most Haunted, don’t watch it because they love Derek. They watch it because they are interested in it. Yes, if Derek does leave (cos I’m not getting into that debate) Most Haunted probably will lose a few fans, but if they are only watching it because of one person, then I’m afraid they will be no great loss.If you do know them well tell them to have a look at these tips. 1. STOP saying every single sound is paranormal. 2. STOP table tipping. Its a joke, a parlour trick. To open to fraud. 3. Invest in more camera's. So you can film under the table while filming your hands on top (if you insist on doing the crap table tipping) 4. STOP doing the glass thang. Stu finally got caught throwing one, spirits making me do it my arse. So please stop. 5. Please keep using Ciaran he's the ONLY one who seems neutral and the ONLY one that nothing ever seems to happen to. 6. PLEASE stop playing off each other. If one person says something, it then gives everyone an excuse to play off that story. 7. STOP using mediums. I don't believe in them. They prey on the gullible for money. Not only that but they seem to assume the spirit world consists on a God. Please don't let them state something is fact if they have no evidence. Science is evidence. Having an imaginary friend ain't. 8. Tape the new sounds mans mouth up. He has no imagination. He ONLY says he saw something or felt something AFTER someone else says it. Thats just playing off what the first person said. !! Great tips there…I’ll make sure (as will Emma, no doubt J) that they will be passed on.Oh a quick one. On the Black Bull episode you all heard moaning in the graveyard. Please play it back. Listen carefully. It obvious what it is. As someone who lived in London all my life, near streets that never sleep I know. Its a car, driving down and empty road. The changing in tone is the car changing gear. The first time I heard that I didn't think anything of it. New it was a car. Yet was shocked when David suggested it was a monk and the soundman said it might be or someone messing about. He's a soundman, even he should of worked it out. If I have that episode on tape, I’ll have a look. If not, I’ll have to wait until it comes out on DVD….lolAnd ask them this really important one. Way back when, they had the episode with Uri Geller in. They knocked a hole in the wall and found bones. An archeologist will tell you, by law if you find bones such as these and you believe them to be human, as Uri said (when did he become the expect of bones), you have to report it to the police. They check their age to make sure its not a recent murder. Yet they moved them and ignored all these laws. What happened there? Working in the “industry” that I do, bones are found all the time. The police are called to instances where the finder believes them to be human. These bones are generally then whisked away to a mortuary where a forensic pathologist will take a look. He/she will then be able to tell straight away whether they are human and how old they are.
How do we know that this wasn’t done in this particular episode? We only see 1 hour of an investigation that is conducted all night. Maybe they did take the bones to a pathologist but didn’t deem it necessary to show this on the show. It could be that the bones were, in fact, animal bones. Admittedly, it would have been nice to know one way or another.
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Post by angel2 on Aug 14, 2005 14:47:22 GMT
well said jacks !
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Post by strauss on Aug 14, 2005 15:04:12 GMT
Yes, i second that well said Jacks!
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Post by joeypesci on Aug 14, 2005 18:15:54 GMT
Sorry Jacks but you still didn't comment on why they don't have pics of him on their site. You kinda walked around the question pretending not to see it Still just seems funny to me. Anyway. The problems I have with the bones episode is the fact they purposely leave it or even edit it so that it leaves the believers and the gullible believing they were human bones. Not only this, but I remember specifically something odd. I don't have it on tape anymore so can't check. But according to Karl the wall had never been up for several years. No one had recently been in them. If thats the case, how'd those cables that you see in there get in there But I did like the fact they weren't to sure about Uri's ablitiy, well I think it was Ciaran who commented on it, I can't remember. As if you buy this Gerry & Banachek. Psychokinetic Silverware, search for it on google. They show you how Uri's famous spoon bending is done. Its all a trick and an illusion. And can you ask them what qualifications Richard Felix has for being a professional historian. I really don't feel he is at all. If he is then he's a really bad one. Two examples come to mind. This quote from someone who was at 'The Ghost House'. The other example was on one of the Live shows. Where Derek picked up the names of the air crew, that just so happen to be on a website, in the same order that Derek mentions them But there was something about 2 airmen I think, crashing on take off. Something like that. Richard confirms that this is true and it VERY hard information to find. He found it in an old book he has thats the only copy. But the funny thing is. I found the exact same information on the website of the place they were visiting So Richard its not hard to find. EDIT- And about the txting and phone call money from the Live shows. They still get some, so still I have to class it as gaining money by deception. As they get so excited about every single little noise. Instead of investigating it. Knowing full well that if they investigate it, it will more than likely turn out to be nothing. Hence the deception. They may not be faking but they are exaggerating. As I sit in my room and infact back in London to. The door sometimes slowly opens, it also slowly closes. Sometimes doing it at speed. I can see through the hall way to another door to. This sometimes does the same. MHed no doubt would class this as paranormal. I wouldn't as I know for a fact its a draft. This is another case of Richard getting over excited. On a recent episode, I think in series 5 a door keeps doing the same. Even David says "Its probably a draft Richard". Yet he insists its not and how can a draft close a door. Really Richard? Come to my house and your see how a draft can close a door. Even worse so called evidence is the TVs coming on and and that episode when the sterio keeps coming on and off. The new guy makes a point of asking if there is a control box for it. The owner says yes its on the sterio. The new guy seems impressed as this is evidence. Well no. Night vision cameras give off an infared signal. They could cause it. Someone could have a universal infared pocket control, that could cause it. Or it could be a simple electrical fault. Yet no one, not even with the TV coming on, mentions these other possiblities. There seems to be no other reasons in their minds. Anything happens, its paranormal. Every now and then my TV switches itself on. But its also infared. Its electrical. So many things can trigger an infared item to switch on. This does NOT make it paranormal. I'm an IT Tech. I have a wireless keyboard and mouse. Now and then they suddenly stop working properly, for a few seconds. Nothing is wrong with the PC I know that for sure. Is this paranormal? No, its my mobile phone thats sitting on the desk. Either a call or txt is about to come in and its the wireless signal coming in, that interfers with my wireless keyboard and mouse.
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Post by Lisa-Marie on Aug 14, 2005 18:45:24 GMT
I do admire how passionate u are joey ... and I think u both have good arguments for different reasons.....
......and one day we may even find out the truth..... but I would'nt hold ya breath psml
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Post by joeypesci on Aug 14, 2005 19:13:32 GMT
I do admire how passionate u are joey ... and I think u both have good arguments for different reasons..... ......and one day we may even find out the truth..... but I would'nt hold ya breath psml And I wouldn't hold my breath that MHed would expose it either Unfortunatly their credibility in my eyes isn't good enough. I've seen Karl and Yvettes house. Its ffing HUGH. I'm pretty darn sure they could afford more cameras than they use. 4 wireless cameras in a locked off room with a trigger object would me no way to fake. Same if they continue with the crap table tipping. A couple of camera's under the table covering the angles and some above on the ceiling. Years back they have the episode where the paper in Derby Gaol flickers with the cross on it. Yet nicely the edge of the paper was out of shot. Whoever set that camera up needs shooting as they should of checked everything was in shot in the bloody first place. Funny thing is, they NEVER ever learnt from this. Later trigger objects that moved, just so happened to have the same piss poor setup where you can't see the whole room so again, is open to fraud. Not only this but the funny thing with that footage is they should whats his name locking the door. People who have been there later noticed there is no lock on that door and there is another door in the room that you can gain access to. And please, your suppose to be there investigating. Screaming and running off like girls for one ain't gonna find you anything and two, doesn't make you look very professional at all. It gets right on my tits when Stu keeps saying "i've had enough lets get out of here." Erm, hello your suppose to be there investigating. How the hell do you expect to find anything if you keep running away like a girl. Here's an old review I did of an episode of series 1. www.jonscelebworld.com/BadPsychics/Editorials/MostHaunted/Series101AthelhamptonHall.htmlAnd here's a review I did of the worst show ever, Dead Famous, with 2 of the worse, most genric Mediums ever. www.jonscelebworld.com/BadPsychics/Editorials/DeadFamous/Series1Alcatraz.html
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